The following information was given to me via email. I don’t know who originally did the research (some was done by Henry CHRISTMAS) so I can not vouch for its accuracy without sources. It is however an excellent guideline. I do believe this family tree has gone back one more generation but I am unable to access it as I don’t have the updated version to read it. I am happy to send the files I do have to you as we appear to by family. So, g’day cuz.
Thomas b? d1589 of Northchapel,SSX and Binsted HAM (yeoman of Eastlands). 1st m=? (your line) 2nd m=1582 Agnes LICKFOLD (LYKEFOLD and other variations) NOTE: Some online sources say that he only married once and that your line is from Thomas & Agnes. I have also seen various variations of how much he presumably “donated” to the Armada fund in 1588. Some say £5 othes say up to £25.
This sounds a bit jumbled, but is it really our Joseph Gross Sherwood? Well it definitely is, the names and the dates match, but does it have unrelated people's info mixed in? Are our Sherwoods originally from Northamptonshire?
Gross Joseph Sherwood was born in 1826, at birth place, to William Sherwood and Martha Sherwood (born Gross). William was born circa 1796, in Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England. Martha was born circa 1794, in Rushden, Northamptonshire, England. Gross had 6 siblings: Edmund Sherwood, James P Sherwood and 4 other siblings. Gross married Evelina Sherwood (born Dore) in 1847, at age 21 at marriage place. Evelina was born circa 1828, in Portsea, Portsmouth. Hampshire. They had 10 children: Joseph Gross Sherwood, Emma Dore (born Sherwood) and 8 other children.
Maybe we've looked these up before but it looks like it has one of my great grandfathers Leonard SHERWOOD (1899 -), Nan's dad and his parents (my great great grandparents) Henry Sherwood and Mary Rout. He was two years old. Looks like there's more than one household here so I've added a space where I think the gaps should be as normally the head of the household would be first. Maybe they all lived next door to one another? The original data is here, well the original transcription from the census.
We have 4 ancestors for Henry, 0 for his father Joseph, 2 for his mother Evelina. We have 17 descendents for Henry. We have 761 people in this family tree with 94 different surnames, including 20 called Sherwood. Sherwood is the 4th most common name in our tree.
There's also a fanciful report from the Cleveland Plain Dealer quoting his wife Ada Maria saying how she parted from him, and she heard the band playing a him and saw everyone kneeling as she drifted off in the very last place in the very last lifeboat. Sounds like journalistic licence to me.
(1912) Says Musicians Knelt as they Played Hymn Cleveland Plain Dealer (ref: #5556, accessed 16th September 2015 07:46:27 AM) URL : http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/says-musicians-knelt-as-they-played-hymn.html
I signed up for the British Newspaper Archive and got three free articles, so the first one I picked was one that definitely looked like it was related to one of our relatives, rather than just similar names and places... and it was! He's just a bit player though.
In the Portsmouth Evening News Wednesday 18th January 1893 there's a report of a sitting of Fareham Magistrate Court where George Glover and Thomas Lewcock were charged with breaking and entering the Railway Hotel, Cosham. Our Harry (no not that Harry) a cousin twice removed found the empty cash box dumped by the thieves. And they couldn't even spell his name right...
Harry Leonard Clark, the son of the keeper of the King and Queen public-house at Cosham, stated that when at football in his father's field at the back of the Railway Hotel on the morning of the 21st ult. he found the cash box (produced) and the tray there. Both were empty. He took them to the Railway Hotel because he had heard there had been a robbery there, and gave them to Mrs Langford.
I hope I can find some more interesting things if I keep going...
In 1851 Joshua and his wife Mary Ann lived at 18 Barstow Street, Leeds, with their three children Margaret, Godfrey, and John. Joshua and Mary Ann are described as shopkeepers, so I'm hoping to find mention of their shop in other records of the time maybe this book. Joshua looks to be 56 at the time of the census (hard to read) and was born in Alvesthorpe. His wife is perhaps 57 and was born in Methley. Margaret is 26, John is 24 and Godfrey 21 and all were born in Wakefield. Margaret has no profession entered here, but John is a printer and Godfrey is a tailor (though seems to be written taylor).
They also had two visitors at the time of the census; James Deacon aged 23 a music professor from Greater Manchester, and Hugh Carrigan a commercial traveller aged 26 from York.
Having a music professor in the house makes them sound quite prosperous to me, was it for the daughter Margaret? Did they have a piano in the house?
Will have to save up a few things to look at to see if it's worth subscribing to British Newspaper Archives, but it seems like it will be. Here is Joshua + Clark + Barstow from a Yorkshire newspaper. Might be coincidence though.
This record, a transcription of the book I linked to above says "Barstow Street, York Road", so was it off York Road? If so might it be the same shop mentioned here owned by John Clark. Is John Clark the father of Joshua Clark? Have we gone back another generation? Bit of a leap maybe...
This is good, still looking for JW Rainey and his parents, and also my Lyman ancestors. Sounds like Dad has some old research that he just has not computerised yet, some info from the census that he gathered and printed back when access was free. So when he gets back online we'll incorporate that into our records here and on http://myheritage.com...
The Section's Journal is The Yorkshire Family Historian, published in March, June, September and December, and issued free to members. It contains a wide range of articles of genealogical interest and social history as well as news about forthcoming events, new members and membership matters in general. In each issue there is also a pull out section of new members' interests and a list of books, fiche and CDs available for purchase from our book stall at meetings, by post or from our web site. Members can have requests for help published in the journal.
Saving this as a #todo really, trying something new here.
And UPDATED not a todo for me any more, have contacted them, ordered the journal, read the article, and there's no connection.
So read the article now, it regards Thomas Clark (no e) born 1837 who was master of Greenholme Mills School, Burley in Wharfedale, as investigated by a descendent of Benjamin Clark the brother of Thomas.
No connection to either of our Clarke branches. I was hoping there might be some connection to Joshua Clark or his father Godfrey Clark, but it seems not. Clarke's just a common name...
Still looking for James Lyman, still no luck, but I have found a J Lyman on this Salford war memorial. Our James Lyman must have been born before 1870, which would put him in his 40's during the first world war, not sure how likely is that that could be him.
LYMAN James William of 2 Boundary street West Chorlton-on-Medlock Lancashire died 30 November 1935 at 20 Nell Lane Withington Lancashire. Administration Birmingham 9 August to Annie Lyman widow. Effects £450.
strangeley this guy died in 1935 but his will is in the 1946 section.
Another one in a sort of similar area:
Lyman George of 44 Cook Street Barrow-in-Furness Lancashire died 1 March 1917 at Station Lane Cakemore Worcestershire Probate London 1 August to John Lyman auctioneer's clerk James Lyman health inspector and George Lyman miner. Effects £400 10s.
The James Lyman who inherits there could be the same James as above.
If that's not our James Lyman then it means he didn't leave a will. Most of the people I've looked up have not left a will though so this probate search is not that useful a resource for us.
Would be a generation or two before, but it looks to me like the Clarkes and Clarks didn't move very far - if your grandfather lived in that town chances are you would to. Anyway, just a little lunchtime research. A work very much in progress. Would be lovely to have some info on these Clarks to take to Ireland with me when we go later this year or next year and show to a descendent Mary Clark who is Clare's great aunt.
Might be a vague connection, I have an ancestor Betty Cowper (1733 - ) mother of Henry Tribe. Betty Cowper was born in Northchapel, Sussex, as were the Ede / Eede / Eade family in my tree on the other side. Intriguing - not actually a connection, but surely more than a coincidence.
CLARKE, William, of East Meon, yeoman & Mabel Baghurst of Clanfield, sp, at C, Chalton, or Buriton, 1 Sep 1726
Another interesting one is
CLARKE, Randall, of East Meon, yeoman, b, & Elizabeth Pinke, of the s, 21, sp at E. M., Porchester, or Southwick, 1 June 1736
I have heard Randall Clarke appears in our tree, and I have seen Randall as a surname - I think the forename of this Randall was taken from the surname of his grandfather or someone else on his mother's side.
Not all of the Clarkes are in there, I wonder what the rule is? Is it only catholics or something? Aha, it's only those who preferred to pay for a licence rather than by the banns in church:
Marriage by licence was usually associated with wealthier people (but not necessarily so) who wanted to avoid marriage by banns which involved a church announcement of the intention to marry on three successive Sundays. Instead, the bridegroom had to swear a declaration that no impediment existed for the marriage to take place.
Pictured here outside his beerhouse in 1912 is landlord Samuel RAINEY with a couple of nosey customers peering out through the vault window. By now the Moulders was owned by Walkers Brewery of Warrington but sadly it closed in 1927
With a picture! Not a super clear one, but still... looks like it might be from this book, so I'll get a copy... I think we have more pub landlords in the family, so maybe there are more books around (like Folkestone's own Tales Of The Tap Room that I have) detailing a bit of history.
Found a few more family tree links tonight too, more ancestors of my 4x great grandmoterLucy Windebank... there are Windebanks all over the place, and it's an unusual enough name that it's much easier to follow up. We can go back from her to (I think) my 13x great grandfather Thomas Winter. That's to the time of Henry VIII, proper history! Going back this far basically everyone is going to be one of your ancestors - we all have 32768 13x great grandparents (I think those sums are right), though some would be duplicates...
The Protestation Returns of 1642 are lists of males over the age of eighteen who took, or did not take, an oath 'to live and die for the true Protestant religion, the liberties and rights of subjects and the privilege of Parliaments'.
I've had a quick look at the areas in Sussex where we had family at that time and can find the family names such as Ede, Chrismas (misspelling of Christmas), Tribe, and Winter that I've just added to our family tree, but haven't linked them to any individuals yet.
Some of this might be a bit dubious I suppose, I do not have primary sources for this, but the person I got the details from Jan Kingshott does have primary sources and is confident... so thanks to them I have a 12x great grandmother Alice Christmas. Generally an unusual name is helpful in researching, but uh christmas tree anyone?
Dad has signed up on http://www.myheritage.com and from there we can see other people's family trees that intersect with ours... found some connections to Richard PORTER who is one of my 6x great-grandfathers, going up my Nan's Mum's side. We have him being the son of a Richard Porter and Joan Warner, not sure where these details come from but this person seems to have the same Richard Porter, all the same children, some more details, but different parents... so who is right? I have to find out where our info came from, then where theirs did, do some research basically instead of just copying and pasting it all off websites...
More details on clarkeology.comThere seem to have been two Richard Porters in the same village, same age, same time, so there's a chance we have the parents wrong here, or other researchers have the parents wrong...
We have 2 ancestors for Richard, 0 for his father Richard, 0 for his mother Joan. Richard lived before the industrial revolution. We have 10 descendents for Richard. We have 761 people in this family tree with 94 different surnames, including 7 called PORTER.
Just noticed my naming of the relationships between relatives seems to have broken, perhaps since we got the new gedcom export from the new version of Dad's tree software, it should be saying "6x great-grandfather" on Richard Porter's page. Also possibly missing some links to some source references, will take a look tonight...
While I'm here talking about Richard Porter I searched my old emails to try and find where we got this info from and found this link quite old:
Naish/ Norket/Porter/White nashvalerie (View posts) Posted: 5 Apr 2000 12:00PM GMT Surnames: Naish, Porter, Norket, White Hi, I'm looking for the parents,children,siblings and ancestors of Thomas Naish b abt 1750 and Martha Porter b abt 1752 md 25/9/1770 at East Meon Hants. Thier son Edward Naish b 23/6/1782 (need siblings) and his wife Mary(maria) Norket B ? (need parents and siblings) md at singleton 18/7/1805.Thier son Edwin Naish Md Elizabeth Ann White (need any information on ancestry beyond imediate parents names) b 2 oct 1809 abberly,worcester, sommerset,eng. have one sister,father and mother's name Mary Ann Pendlingham b 1782?. any additional information would be greatly appreciated Thanks Harry Geo. Nash
Naish/Porter marriage davidtaylor209 (View posts) Posted: 9 Apr 2000 12:00PM GMT Surnames: NAISH, PORTER Hi Harry Your Thomas & Martha also had a son Thomas bapt 1/4/1771 at East Meon. Martha was bapt 10/2/1748 at East Meon I think the dr of Richard Porter & Mary Cleer who married on 29/10/1745*. ]]. The reason I am not sure is that there is another marriage of Richard Porter & a Sarah in 1742, she may have died or there may be 2 Richard's in the same small village. Richard & Mary also had Mary 1746, Elizabeth 1752, Anne & Olive 1755.
Lovely weekend at Mum and Dad's, and got some more family tree info to go in, more below.
Lovely to see lots of people, Tommy got some nice birthday presents and we did some good eating. Great dinner in on Friday night (I took the afternoon off and we raced down there straight after school, in the dark and the rain). Saturday we managed to get Clare a new coat in Snow And Rock in port solent then had a smashing dinner in Prezzo. Mum and Dad kindly took the boys home and put them to bed so Clare and I could stay on and have a drink. Splendid! Then a huge cooked breakfast the next day and not a bad drive home.
I found the hotel that my Nan stayed in during the war, when she was an evacuee (though an unofficial one), it's the Hallamshire House in Sheffield. Also when doing some updates on Dad's computer we found a "there are smart matches for this person" on his family tree programme. It found a link for our James Cole Clarke through someone else's family tree who was linked to the name Irish. They have the same details going up the tree that we do, even the same mistake in the date of birth of our James the first so they might have taken that from these pages... they have a tonne more on the Irish family though, who James Cole Clarke's daughter Elizabeth married in to.
BORN EST 1779 Widley, Hampshire (East Meon baptisms website has a James Clarke, son of John and Mary Clarke being registered in 1777. The date of 1777 looks good from the age on the burial record.Hoping this is actually the James Clarke mentioned on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~buriton/EMBaps1775-1799.htm and we just have the date wrong, as this would give us the parents John and Mary (Randall?) and siblings Thomas, Hannah, Joseph, and Mary.)
DIED 22 DEC 1860 Cosham, Widley, Hants (King & Queen Inn, Cosham High St, Portsmouth) (source: Death Certificate)
BURIED 31 DEC 1860 Cosham, Widley, Hants
He's significantly older than his wife.Census seems to indicate he was born around 1779. In the 1841 census he's aged 62, though in that census ages are meant to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years. At that time he lives with wife Eliza
We have 4 ancestors for James, 2 for his father John?, 0 for his mother Mary. James lived during the industrial revolution. We have 17 descendents for James. We have 761 people in this family tree with 94 different surnames, including 49 called CLARKE. CLARKE is the most common name in our tree.
Hmm those links off to the twitter are a bit faulty there, it's some side effect of the family treegedcom update, where it says @ N17 @ that should be a reference to a note or a reference with ID 17, I'll fix that... UPDATE: and fixed those dodgy references.
I was nine yrs old when war started. I lived in a house quite near Portsmouth Dockyard so it was a target for the bombers. At night when the raids started my mother put us in siren suits (not unlike the onesies worn today) but a lot warmer with hoods. A siren used to sound to warn us a raid was to begin so we had to sleep in a Anderson Shelter. These were dugouts in the garden made of corrugated iron, they were about four ft underground with lots of dirt and turf on top. They were supposed to help keep us safe but there were cold and damp and spiders. You could hear the planes coming and the bombs dropping.
My father told us to sing to drown out the noise, the louder and nearer the bombs dropped the louder we used to sing. And then the dreaded doodlebugs started (flying bombs). You could hear the drone of the engine and when that stopped you knew it was coming down, so we would put our hands over our eras praying it did not have our name on it. When the raid finished another siren was sounded to sound the all clear and we came out of the shelter to see what damage was done. A lot of houses was destroyed and a lot of people killed.
As regard school we only went for half a day mornings one week and afternoons the next week.
And then we had rationing, food, clothes and you could not buy anything made of metal that went for munitions. We had ration books which you had to take to the shop to get your shopping and coupons for your clothes. I remember my mother had a coat made out of an army blanket which someone gave her. If bananas or oranges came into the shops you had to get in a long queue for them. We also had dried eggs and dried milk.
When the raids were happening every day and night, my father (Harry's great great grandfather) who was in the air force decided to evacuate us to a relative in Sheffield. They had a large pub which had a large cellar. Although they still had air raids, when we were down in the cellar it was nearly sound proof. My father borrowed a car to take us to Sheffield and when we got as far as Rugby a bad raid started so we were put in the vaults of the museum where all the old relics were kept, including some prehistoric animals.
Whilst we stayed in Sheffield for about four years our home in Portsmouth was destroyed plus a lot of others and there was a lot of families lost their lives. When we came back to Portsmouth my father had to rent a house in Cosham where we stayed till the end of the war.
It's lovely to have this letter, Harry will treasure it in the future (I hope) and it will come in useful for school history projects.
Yeah the other hotel name was just a coincidence, Nan says it is The Hallamshire.... I googled, is it this one? A part of Pulp history. And, back in Portsmouth my nan lived on Stanhope Road too, just like the one in Babies, though obviously no connection.
I've ever seen that original video for Babies before. I used to work with the younger sister in that video at NME!
Clarke tree, and connecting branches and roots, from Hampshire, UK to the Titanic and beyond... so far we have links for the names [name]CLARKE[/name], CLARK, [name]COLE[/name], [name]DONNELLY[/name], [name]DUNCANSON[/name], [name]GRANT[/name], [name]GREGORY[/name], [name]HALL[/name], [name]HARRIS[/name], [name]HAZZARD[/name], [name]HUCKLE[/name], [name]IRISH[/name], [name]LESTER[/name], [name]LYMAN[/name], [name]MORRIS[/name], [name]O'BRIEN[/name], [name]RAINEY[/name], [name]RHODES[/name], [name]SAMWAYS[/name], [name]SHERWOOD[/name], [name]SMITH[/name], [name]TEE[/name], [name]TILL[/name], [name]TRIBE[/name], [name]WEEKS[/name], [name]WILDY[/name], [name]WINDEBANK[/name], and [name]WINFIELD[/name]... If you think you might have a link into our family tree, or would like to put out a request for genealogy assistance, Please leave a message and I Paul Clarke will try to help...